奥拉夫·卡尔森-威(Olaf Carlson-Wee)在加密货币领域大获全胜后，想要改变世界

服装及配饰 奥拉夫的.

拥有加密货币是件好事, 而是奥拉夫·卡尔森-威, 比特币预言家，区块链投资公司的创始人 Polychain资本他有比保护袋子更宏伟的计划. 这位33岁的明尼苏达州人想让世界变得(非常非常)更好. 在这里，他对 哲学家 以及同为超人类主义者的大卫·皮尔斯对金融未来的看法, 他关于延长寿命的基因编辑的观点备受争议, 所有苦难的终结.

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大卫·皮尔斯:很高兴见到你，奥拉夫. 来自英国布莱顿的问候.

OLAF CARLSON-WEE:我在曼哈顿. 很高兴能和你谈话.

PEARCE: I thought we could start by letting people know how we first got to know each other.

CARLSON-WEE: I was an undergraduate student at Vassar College in upstate New York when I stumbled across your archive. 我不记得怎么找到的, but I kept reading all of these incredible essays and I realized that they were part of this massive web of sites. This must have been in 2010 or ’11, right around the time that I was getting interested in cryptocurrency. 我给你发过邮件. 从那以后，彩神8APP很多年都没有再联系. 我离开了，开始了在加密货币世界的整个努力. 首先，我参与了Coinbase(加密货币交易平台). 那时, 这是一个非常新生的早期业务, 从旧金山的公寓里跑出来. 我在那里待了三年半, 然后就离开了，开始了我现在的事业, Polychain资本, 哪家是加密货币领域的投资公司. 在Polychain，彩神8APP在2018年开始了一个名为“奇怪的天才”的演讲系列. 这个想法是引入外部思想家, people who have really interesting ideas about art or technology or how the world can be improved. 我马上就想到了你. 那是你第一次来旧金山的时候彩神8APP才得以见面. I’d love it if you gave a brief summary of the stuff you wrote that got me so excited as an undergraduate.

皮尔斯:谢谢你. 回到1995年, 我在网上写了一篇宣言, “享乐主义的命令,，尽管它的标题相当放荡, 目的是在道德上严肃. It essentially outlines how it’s going to be possible to phase out the biology of pain and suffering in favor of a new architecture of mind—life based entirely on information-sensitive gradients of wellbeing, 最终是超人般的幸福. 还有哲学上的超人类主义, 我还做了一些实际的工作，比如良好的药物指南, which gives an overview of different pharmacological interventions with an interest in raising pain thresholds, 以及基因驱动和人工肉等方面的研究, 因为废奴主义者的计划是要消灭所有有知觉的生命中的痛苦, 不仅仅是人类. Essentially what I aim to do is put my work in the public domain so that young movers and shakers like you will maintain the project. 彩神8APP有一个共同点，那就是彩神8APP的激情与传统思想背道而驰. 在多大程度上，这是你生活中始终如一的主题? 你如何战胜怀疑者?

夹克，裤子和鞋子 普拉达. 项链 奥拉夫的.

卡尔森-威:这确实是2011年我生活中几乎每个人的反应, 当我第一次沉浸在比特币世界的时候. 我决定写一篇关于加密货币技术的本科论文, 以及如果它大幅增长将会发生的社会影响. 我的教授们对整个概念都持怀疑态度. 没有人听说过比特币或加密货币. 但在我的一生中，我总觉得自己有点像外星人. 我在明尼苏达州的农村出生长大. 我父母都是路德教的牧师. I had to seek out alternative media and resources online to learn about things that weren’t directly around me in a world that was church, 和学校, 和足球. I’ve found that when you stick to your own personal intuition, you often get the best outcome. You need to be tethered to reality and make sure that you’re being analytical in your thinking. 同时, 跟随我的直觉, 即使我不确定它会把我带到哪里, 对我找到我想要走的道路至关重要吗. 你真的坚持了很多想法，人们可能不仅会觉得无趣, 但在道德上应该受到谴责. 你是如何对付那些讨厌你的人的?

皮尔斯:仇恨者是少数. 大多数人, 当他们偶然发现完全摆脱痛苦的想法时, 想想乌托邦的梦想. 令人惊讶的是, the most opposition I’ve encountered is about phasing out predators like lions and tigers. 我认为彩神8APP需要对它们进行基因重组. 有些人完全被这个想法惊呆了, 但如果彩神8APP在道德上认真对待消除痛苦, 彩神8APP将不得不编辑彩神8APP的基因源代码. 这引发了优生学的指控. But I think all prospective parents should have access to pre-implantation genetic screening and counseling, 以及CRISPR基因组编辑, 取代了今天的基因猜测. 从技术上讲，这是优生学. I don’t like the term in view of 20th century history—it can trigger some very strange feelings. 我认为我的观点基本上是无法发表的. Then the World Wide Web came along and I realized it was possible to get these views to a global audience. 是什么让你在大学时对比特币感兴趣?

卡尔森-威:我2008年进入大学，正好赶上金融危机. 有一种感觉，整个系统都在反对小人物, and that the incumbent interests of the legacy financial systems and Wall Street were really there for their benefit and not for our benefit as regular people. 这让我开始思考谁在控制货币体系. The Federal Reserve, as it turns out, is a pseudo-private entity that controls the dollar. 而决定美元价值的是非选举产生的官员, 以及银行如何借款. 这样的事情会对整个全球经济产生巨大的涟漪效应. 当我开始接触比特币时，我并没有清楚地看到它会如何发展. But I had an intuitive feeling that if we could rewrite the global economic and financial system with a software-based substrate that was run by an algorithm that nobody controlled, 而不是中央银行系统, there would be a huge wealth transfer from traditional elites to those in the cryptocurrency sphere. 在过去的十年里，彩神8APP已经看到这种情况在相当大的程度上发生了变化. 不可思议的是任何人都可以编写这样的软件. 它不像传统金融那样封闭. 它并不完美，但我确实认为这是一个巨大的进步.

奥拉夫自己的服装和配饰.

皮尔斯:放学后，你一个人在明尼苏达州北部度过了很多时间. 你能多谈谈你人生中的这段时光吗?

卡尔森-威:2012年毕业后, 我有一篇关于加密货币的长篇论文, 对于我即将进入的这个精明的经济体来说，也没有多少真正的技能. 我花了大约一年的时间环游美国, 大部分时间都靠背包、帐篷和睡袋生活, 睡在朋友的沙发上. 我很抗拒跳入一个我不一定想成为其中一员的体系. 一份朝九晚五的工作, 支付租金, 住在城市对我来说不是很有吸引力. I ended up working as a lumberjack in a small communal mountain town in northern Washington called Holden Village. It wasn’t a commercial lumber operation; I was literally creating wood to heat the village over the winter. The town was created around a copper mine but it went bankrupt and was taken over by the Lutheran church in the ’60s. 它在六七十年代被嬉皮士们采用, and continues to be this amazing example of a voluntary community that oscillates between the winter and the summer from about 60 to maybe 350 people. 这是一种非常平静的生活. 在我当过伐木工之后, I went to northern Minnesota to stay in my grandparents’ cabin that was built in the ’40s. 我在那里有几个月没见过任何人. That’s when I went really deep and decided that cryptocurrency was what I wanted to work on. 我继续扩展我的本科论文. 我还涉足了电子音乐制作, 更深入地研究超人类主义和延年益寿的思想. I was thinking of ways that we could improve the legacy system we have that was designed for reproduction, 也不一定是为了忍受它的人的幸福. 这是我想在世界上推广的哲学基础, 这不仅仅是通过政治重新分配资源, 而是通过技术解决人类最深层的问题. It was a very deep and intense time that ended with me sleeping on a friend’s couch in Oakland. 就在那时，我给Coinbase发了一封陌生邮件，说:“我愿意做任何工作.“2013年初，我开始在那里做客户支持，接下来的事情就过去了.

皮尔斯:你能描述一下你个人对未来的看法吗?

卡尔森-威:我认为有可能创造出让彩神8APP保持敏捷的技术, 健康的, 而且思维敏捷的时间比彩神8APP自然生理上的时间要长得多. 我也认为有可能大幅度提高彩神8APP的享乐设定值, 彩神8APP每天生活的默认状态, with biotechnology and tools like genetic engineering to massively improve the Darwinian hardware we’re born into. 这是彩神8APP需要关注的大项目. We will never solve the biggest problems through political solutions that rearrange the way resources are distributed. My hope is that cryptocurrency can be a globally distributed and democratized financial substrate, 还能让你有能力为专注的未来提供资金和研究, 不仅仅是让人们在物质上更富有, 但本质上更快乐更健康. 我想每个人都同意，一旦人们有一个温暖的地方睡觉和食物吃, 对他们来说，真正重要的是朋友和家人，以及他们经历的质量, 而不是进一步改善他们生存的物质条件. 我希望在遥远的将来, 彩神8APP可以有无限的幸福, 永生, 对于一般人来说，也不需要担心那么多的物质条件. 我希望彩神8APP能达到一个地方，人们可以舒适地使用很少, 而不是在这种激烈的消费竞争中, and focus instead on artistic endeavors like film and music and immersive virtual reality. These things can create sublime experiences for people while working to improve the hardware that we’re running, 硬件就是彩神8APP的身体. 对我来说，思想是最后的边界.

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皮尔斯:是的. 作为一个超人类主义者，我相信超级智能文明, 超级长寿和超级幸福. 科学探索时代才刚刚开始. 但回到此时此地. 大家都知道你是加密货币专家. 你的其他爱好是什么?

卡尔森-威:我对意识可能是什么感兴趣的原因之一, 如果彩神8APP能用更严格的科学方法来操纵它, 是清醒梦. 九年了, 我每天早上醒来时写下我的梦, 并获得了一种不可思议的能力来控制它们. 清醒梦状态的非凡之处在于两点. 一个, 有些与生俱来的规则彩神8APP认为是理所当然的, 所以像重力或时间这样的东西可以被严重操纵. 第二，你可以向你的感官展示任何你能想象到的东西. There’s this incredible feedback loop between your imagination and your senses that isn’t
当你醒着的时候. 我希望更多的人能体验到这一点, because it’s incredibly powerful and freeing to be able to map your imagination onto your senses. 我对音乐制作等实验艺术也很感兴趣, 独立电影, 还有小说写作, 并且是新兴艺术家的赞助人. I can’t talk about it yet, but I’m producing my first television show and I’m very excited about it. 艺术 is another way that people can elevate themselves and have sublime experiences that expand their vision of what’s possible. 现代社会对政治的关注令人难以置信, 哪个政客是对的，哪个是错的. 并不是说它不重要, it’s that there’s a whole other set of questions about what we’re trying to do as a society that people don’t ask much. I’m hopeful that more and more people will wake up to the idea of massively improving the human condition.

皮尔斯:谢谢你分享你的愿景.

卡尔森-威:很高兴和你交谈，祝你一切顺利. And when I say the best, I mean, as you’ve often signed your emails to me, infinite bliss.

皮尔斯:也祝你无限幸福.

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